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tilegirl
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Antisthenes

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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Rhino , always _________________ The most necessary/useful piece of learning is that which unlearns what is untrue: 'evil'
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F700ES
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| SketchUp Pro for your 3D work and maybe AutoCAD LT if you need to produce nice clean 2D plans and elevations. Both work well together. |
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Antisthenes

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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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progecad smart is free. and 100% autocad compatible
http://www.download.com/progeCAD-2008-Smart/3000-6677_4-10777485.html _________________ The most necessary/useful piece of learning is that which unlearns what is untrue: 'evil'
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F700ES
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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But not for commercial use, I thought we had went over this before? Pretty sure they said commercial work in the 1st post. |
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Antisthenes

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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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then get the 100$ flavor... i doubt Caddit is going to sue anybody, other than their parent organization defending against autodesk saying they can't use the dwg format. _________________ The most necessary/useful piece of learning is that which unlearns what is untrue: 'evil'
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F700ES
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Antisthenes wrote: | | then get the 100$ flavor... i doubt Caddit is going to sue anybody, other than their parent organization defending against autodesk saying they can't use the dwg format. |
DWG is their file format. I also think the Smart version has a watermark when printed. |
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Antisthenes

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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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i think that is what the court is finding nobody can 'own a file format'
http://www.cadalot.co.uk/icad/faq.htm
here is some more technicals on intellicads abilities and a comparison.
smart is not offered any longer except on free download sites. and the pro is very easy to find a _________________ The most necessary/useful piece of learning is that which unlearns what is untrue: 'evil'
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F700ES
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Antisthenes wrote: | i think that is what the court is finding nobody can 'own a file format'
http://www.cadalot.co.uk/icad/faq.htm
here is some more technicals on intellicads abilities and a comparison.
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Well I think that's bullshit. If I develop an application and it uses it's own file format then yes, it is intelligent property to me. This smacks of "sour grapes" to the ones that want DWG files but not willing to pay for the rights to develop for it.
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smart is not offered any longer except on free download sites. and the pro is very easy to find a |
Wow, I guess their business model of the free software didn't work. I guess too many people used it for commercial work. I guess AutoDesk made them fail  |
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Antisthenes

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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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No format can be owned, ideas being owned goes counter to the laws of mathematics.
DWG is so widely used much like DOC format for any company to 'claim' it would be anti-competitive under current law especially if you want to let others compete. (see the xml format and the MS suits with EU and US for president), your personal opinions aside.
monopolization has already caused enough harm and you would have people pay for rights to use a corporations 'IP'
sorry this is the 2000's not the 90's even the RIAA realizes this and the battle against DRM continues so we can have a more open world every day.
i think intellicad charging members money and not being as open source as people would have hoped may be a more contributing factors than anything autodesk did. _________________ The most necessary/useful piece of learning is that which unlearns what is untrue: 'evil'
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F700ES
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Sure it can. Your argument is not valid. There is intellectuality property and only the ones that want to leech off what others have done think that there is none. Sorry but there is. AutoDesk owns DWG much like Adobe owns PDF, AI and PSD.
You are twisting the facts to suite your own opinion.
If I create a work of music or a file type and copyright it I own it for the period that the law allows. Now I should have the right to allow others to use or distribute it as I see fit but giving copies or reverse engineering it without my permission is wrong.
BTW DOC is not owned by MS. They just chose to use it way back when.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOC_(computing)
Again, your argument is weak.
| Antisthenes wrote: | No format can be owned, ideas being owned goes counter to the laws of mathematics.
DWG is so widely used much like DOC format for any company to 'claim' it would be anti-competitive under current law especially if you want to let others compete. (see the xml format and the MS suits with EU and US for president), your personal opinions aside.
monopolization has already caused enough harm and you would have people pay for rights to use a corporations 'IP'
sorry this is the 2000's not the 90's even the RIAA realizes this and the battle against DRM continues so we can have a more open world every day.
i think intellicad charging members money and not being as open source as people would have hoped may be a more contributing factors than anything autodesk did. |
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Antisthenes

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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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the argument is not mine it is that of the US law and fair use and anti-competition clauses, study law?
how do you think there are 100+ companies that also are able to make PDF and not run into any trouble for it?
lighten up bro. what can be done will be done and it is better to not defend or place road blocks that prevent progress.
these are good reads i came across while researching
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from:http://www.-.com/intellicad.htm
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some good stuff on the ODA, Verner, and Solidworks cases
http://cadcourt.com _________________ The most necessary/useful piece of learning is that which unlearns what is untrue: 'evil'
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caddit

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F700ES
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:28 am Post subject: Re: progeCAD Smart! has been suspended. |
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| caddit wrote: | | Quote: | | i doubt Caddit is going to sue anybody |
Unfortunately new registrations for progeCAD Smart! must be temporarily suspended until further notice. |
Why, it seemed like a good idea. Give uses a light weight CAD program and hope to entice power users to pay the low cost pro version. I am glad Google went this route with SketchUp. |
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caddit

Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 8 Location: Asia Pacific
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:44 am Post subject: progeCAD Smart was not "light weight" |
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| Quote: | | Give uses a light weight CAD program and hope to entice power users |
We don't need a free version to entice power users. Our commercial products already offer excellent value for their low cost. Commercial users were never supposed to be working with Smart! to begin with. If they wanted something "to try out first", that is what the 30-day evaluation period is for.
Our purpose with Smart! was strictly to offer a free way to work well with AutoCAD files for the thousands of deserving charities, students, churches and organizations.
You are also wrong about "light weight CAD". progeCAD Smart! offered full DWG compatibility, AutoLISP and SDS programming as well as many hours of hard work and customization to produce a real piece of software these organizations and students could use. It was very powerful.
It is obvious to me these efforts were not appreciated.
That's a pity. _________________ Download AutoCAD LT style DWG CAD
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