The Battle For Democracy in Iran


 
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justellus



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: The Battle For Democracy in Iran Reply with quoteFind all posts by justellus

We have seen on the news recently the events in Iran, which have shocked the globe demonstrating the brutality and cowardice of the Iranian government, which has punished it's people for seeking liberty, freedom and a greater democracy.

The government in all it's pretense and lies, and religious statements is not able to hide the under-lying spirit of repression of it's people under the guise of a superficial democracy of sorts. This in reality, as we have seen, is a tyrannical government bent on torturing and punishing decent citizens who dare question the religious "authority" of the demonized leadership who runs that country.

The state of affairs in Iran has become deplorable. Democracy and freedom of speech no longer rule. No longer is the public able to request in public that it's voice be heard. It is ever becoming more clear that this liberty never existed in the first place, and that the election was a sham.

If the government were sincere, and the leader had been really re-elected, there would would be a spirit of openness and freedom of expression. To the contrary, any voice claiming to be heard is squashed, with those seeking freedom from tyranny being murdered like animals, thrown from bridges and shot on the streets.

Recently we have seen an all out cyberwar conducted by the Iranian government against the truth and in an attempt to suppress what is really going on in Iran. In doing this they proclaim their leaders to have won the disputed elections by crushing the majority who is the opposition. This cyberwar has distorted the truth to such an extent that the "official story" the illegitimate leadership has painted is being brain-washed into the public to such a degree and extent so that a lye may be regarded ultimately as the truth.

An illegitimate government squashes any voices of freedom with such brutality that the fake elections are declared valid, and any opposing voice is either harassed, tried or imprisoned, in an all out dis-respect for human rights and democratic values.

The cyberwar conducted by the illegitimate government in Iran is attacking with a massive assault on every front. The campaign of dis-information and re-painting of the truth according to the official government version has grown to staggering proportions. The voice of democracy not only being squashed, but any attempt at seeking of free justice and freedom of expression is crushed and the story of those seeking democracy is forever silenced by the brutality of the campaign of dis-information. The campaign has become so vast to as to cast upon the foreign media and the world a fully edited version of the truth and one which does not reflect the wishes and stories of it's people, but rather only of a limited ruthless ruling class that wills by all means to persuade the world of the validity of it's illegitimate elections and government.

And is Obama in his recent statements vascilating on his stance towards Iran?
Going to the Arab world for apologizing for interfering? No apology is needed! The US has no business recognizing an illegitimate government, much less in now being coerced to apologize for only supporting those who desire freedom of speech! As any savy politician will do, this is only a wishy-washy stance, that when it is convenient, the politician changes his stance in order to please all. First, to please those seeking freedom. When the tactics of the campaign of misinformation are successful in Iran, then the President suddenly decides he must change tactics and please the illegitimate government of Iran? This is not a stance of firm support for democratic values, but rather a shifting stance according to what is convenient at the moment.

We must fully support those who seek for democracy and freedom by pacific means all along the way, even when their voice is being silenced by ruthless dictatorships. To capitulate now to such an autocratic dictatorial government in Iran only demonstrates a lack of resolve and firm belief in democratic values and a desire to favor politics and other interests over democratic values and the right of every human being to liberty and freedom of expression and to seek for a democratic government by peaceful means.

Individuals seeking for their voices to be heard and seeking for a fair election are shot on the streets, their homes raided in the faint hours of the night and their leaders trying unjustly for only expressing their democratic values and desire for true fairness!

A system which is not able to allow for a fair election and transparency in the process has demonstrated itself to be illegitimate. This is clearly demonstrated by the most recent supposed 10 percent vote recount. It is obvious this vote re-count could not have occurred that quickly over the weekend, and that it was rigged so as to favor the unjust elections.

In the end, we all know Ahmanijad is only a figure head puppet and truly is not the one in control of a government which solely decides who will represent it. It is not the people who decide the fate of Iran, but the dictatorial government in the end and this is plain to see. This is no democracy but a dictatorship. And a dictatorship can be cunning, unpredictable and ruthless have we have seen and as had occurred in Korea as well. So now we have two big problems on our hands to deal with.

The recent attempts of the Iranian government to blame the US and Britain are no more then part of the campaign of disinformation. We all know this is not believable and their attempt to blame foreigners for their own grass roots movement is not working and not going to work. The entire world knows this is simply not believable.

The world, caught up recently in the Michael Jackson news and other recent shocking events, began to forget Iran, and the world of web blogging, which at one time was giving strength to the voice of freedom, is slowly ebbing.

Let those who have been doing web blogging continue to support those seeking freedom in Iran. And certainly the people themselves over time will do the same, despite the war against their freedom. The government can completely stop decades of desperate desire for change and liberty. The grass-roots movement initiated clearly in Iran and will continue. The recent campaign of disinformation to blame the US or Britain will not contain a movement which began within Iran itself. No foreign country can be blamed for a movement which began as a grass-roots movement within it's own people.

Now is the time for people everywhere to support the grass roots movement of democracy in Iran. It is just at this time and juncture that those poor people are being abandoned. Is there anyone out there really willing to help them and do something for these poor oppressed people?

What are your thoughts on this subject?

What can be done for the poor people in that country?

Is there any hope still for a greater democracy in Iran?

We don't know the price some are having to pay to get their voice heard. Now is the time for us to feel for them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by justellus

Here is an interesting twist in the latest events related to Iran:

Leading clerics defy Ayatollah on Iran election

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31745151/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times

Now we have even the leading clerics defying the Ayatollah as they know the elections were rigged. So the subject of this topic is only further vindicated, demonstrating that indeed it is a grass roots movement in Iran itself which has brought the elections into question, not a US or British intervention effort. So they certainly cannot claim the movement began due to foreign intervention.

Quote:
CAIRO - The most important group of religious leaders in Iran called the disputed presidential election and the new government illegitimate on Saturday, an act of defiance against the country’s supreme leader and the most public sign of a major split in the country’s clerical establishment.

A statement by the group, the Association of Researchers and Teachers of Qum, represents a significant, if so far symbolic, setback for the government and especially the authority of the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, whose word is supposed to be final. The government has tried to paint the opposition and its top presidential candidate, Mir Hussein Moussavi, as criminals and traitors, a strategy that now becomes more difficult — if not impossible.

“This crack in the clerical establishment, and the fact they are siding with the people and Moussavi, in my view is the most historic crack in the 30 years of the Islamic republic,” said Abbas Milani, director of the Iranian Studies Program at Stanford University. “Remember, they are going against an election verified and sanctified by Khamenei.”


And the crack can gain importance and significance as a greater number of the clerical establishment may join also in this stance, further bringing the fraudulent elections into question.

So perhaps Mr. Obama should not be quick to run out an issue an apology for an "intervention" he is not even guilty of. It is an Iraq grass-roots movement seeking for democracy and should stay and will stay that way as it grows in strength and in a greater number of adherents.

Now is the time for the world to support democracy in Iran as well.

Whether this twist of events will imply significant change in Iraq will depend on the number of those who adhere to it. But certainly Mr. Mousavi himself has gained greater support and thus his challenges can be demonstrated to be legitimate.

And on the significance of the event:

Quote:
“The significance is that even within the clergy, there are many who refuse to recognize the legitimacy of the election results as announced by the supreme leader,” said an Iranian political analyst who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.

While the government could continue vilifying the three opposition leaders, analysts say it was highly unlikely that the leadership would use the same tactic against the clerical establishment in Qum.

The backing also came at a sensitive time for Mr. Moussavi, because the accusations that he is a foreign agent ran in a newspaper, Kayhan, that has often been used to build cases against critics of the government.


We can only now hope that Iran will be able to achieve a greater amount of democracy, freedom of expression and openness, before the entire system crashes in on itself due to illegitimacy. The best thing the government of Iraq could do now would be listen to the pleas and allow for either an impartial recount, or another election. They have nothing to fear, if they really believe Ahmanijad will be re-elected. Perhaps they do not wish to allow another election as it will only prove Ahmanijad was not elected fairly and it will only demonstrate in fact that the election was fraudulent.

Independent of what happens in Iran, this is quite a twist of events. The subject and nature of this topic has only been further proven and vindicated as well, and we are right on track with our recent conclusions and comments.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:29 am    Post subject: Solidarity for a Dark day in Iran, today Reply with quoteFind all posts by Ed Ziomek

As a followup, today is a massively dark day in Iran.

On one hand, in the last 48 hours, they have announced that they have the nuclear bomb capabilities, and joined that rotten club for which we have been a part.

Second, there are pro-government and anti-government rallies going on that are dividing the country in an emotional and cultural civil war.

The opposition leaders convoy was attacked by baton wielding thugs who smashed their car windows and turned them back.

We as outsiders have to stand by and watch the horror unfolding, and there is only one thing we can do... Pray for understanding and civility.

One new horrendous feature is apparently the police are shooting identification paint pellet tags at anti-government demonstrators, for later incarceration and abuse like has become the consequence.

Anyways, I wish prayers and solidarity to all the proud Persians, the Iranian people of good will.

This is a short life we lead, we have global problems, we need each other, we have everything to work together on, and we are reaching a sinister turning point...

We only got 4 minutes to save the world... Madonna and Justin Timberlake...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JN3Abdj6y0&feature=related

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:21 am    Post subject: Iran becoming a military dictatorship: Sec/State Clinton Reply with quoteFind all posts by Ed Ziomek

Clinton: Iran is becoming a military dictatorship

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100215/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_clinton_mideast

Yahoo News and the Associated Press
By ROBERT BURNS, AP National Security Writer

"DOHA, Qatar – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that Iran is becoming a military dictatorship, a new U.S. accusation in the midst of rising tensions with Iran over its nuclear ambitions and crack down on anti-government protesters.

Speaking to Arab students at Carnegie Mellon's Doha campus, Clinton said Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps appears to have gained so much power that it effectively is supplanting the government.

"Iran is moving toward a military dictatorship," she said. "That is our view."

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Note to all our good readers on this website: Why Americans must remain vigilant about foreign threats which are real, and demand accountability from our representatives in Washington who are bought off by special interests, and have better oversight over our Wall Street financial bailouts, and holding our own military ambitions in check -trying to police the world, the Iranian slide into this tyrannical abyss could happen to us too!

Is America becoming a banking/corporate dictatorship?

Battle Over the Bailout
by Alan Feuer, NY Times
"THE critical lawsuit challenging that mystery of finance known as the Bailout started, oddly enough, with a casual newsroom chat. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/nyregion/14fed.html?scp=2&sq=bloomberg&st=cse

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:47 am    Post subject: Drums of war, No more wars, please. No more Americans gone Reply with quoteFind all posts by Ed Ziomek

I am not giving up on this President. I am going to support this guy, mistakes and all, and work to get him re-elected.

As an insignificant citizen of the world, am I allowed to offer morsels of reason and understanding... speaking softly, holding back the big stick?

Take a close look Mr. President, at how you are being led astray on all this chaos:

1. Upon receipt of the Eisenhower Award from Princeton University, General Petraeus this week gave a speech where he apparently informed the audience that we as Americans should expect higher casualties in Iraq.

My expectation from this prominent military person, at this juncture was a “timetable for an orderly withdrawal” after 8 years of war. Instead, he gives us a warning of more American men and women being killed?

Perception: more negativity at a time of winding down? We lose. You lose.

2. Today’s Daily News article “Wipe that Smile off his Face” by Guest Author Charles Wald, regarding actions to be taken against Iran and Ahmadinejad.

This piece should be printed in every newspaper in America, not for its positive value, but for its horrific message: “Should these measures, and other diplomatic and economic pressures – fail to compel Tehran to terminate its nuclear program, the US military is capable of launching a devastating strike on nuclear and military facilities. This would set back Iranian nuclear development, but would not destroy Iran’s nuclear knowhow.”

Perception: Horror story, this would cause another, wider war, and would not stop them in the long run. America loses again. All Iranians unite against America and Israel. You lose again.

Folks, there are some common sense answers here. The human race is saturated with cultures rising up to the top, then being destroyed, Greece and Rome and Persia and France and Austria ad infinitum. What caused most of their demise?

Arrogance. Trying to do too much, thinking they could never fail.

And it is no secret, Iran is most definitely behind the IED mechanisms, they have to be, that have killed so many Americans and Muslims throughout this region. It’s their weaponry, I know it. The leaders are psycho-crazy killers, but do we risk EVERYTHING to enter into a third war?

Why? What do we gain? We can only lose BIGGER THAN BEFORE!
No more wars, please. They have a right to their own nightmares, let’s fix the US first.

I can live with a contained, nuclear Iran. Negotiations have failed to stop them, fine, but why does America have to be the Police force on this?

I say, start withdrawing from Iraq, backoff the military from Afghanistan, and live with a contained, marginalized Iran.

And if you are looking for something to do, investigate how much that highly critical, braying jackass allegedly made during the Bush years, managing the war company he left to take the job at 1600 Pennsylvania. Follow the emails and cell phone calls he allegedly made, from his elected office, while he was on “retirement”.

Our US of A cannot survive this insanity, Mr. President. Don’t lose any more of our treasured sons and daughters. Common sense, Please.

“Some folks inherit, Star spangled eyes, ohhh they send you down to war,
And when you ask them “How much should you give?”, they only answer “More, More, More”.

John Fogerty, “I aint no fortunate son”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-5XgI244xo&feature=channel

Lord, hear our prayer.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:02 am    Post subject: Finally, STANDING UP!!! Reply with quoteFind all posts by Ed Ziomek

Number One: President Obama's remarks during his State of the Union address, criticizing the Supreme Court have drawn a negative reaction from the Chief Justice Roberts.

And???

I ask all of us, how else does anyone complain, Mr. Roberts, about a decision that gives unlimited funding power to corporations during elections, including foreign corporations? How else does the President communicate, when addressing the entire nation of the United States, "Oh, by the way, our whole country just got changed, and I want to let you know about it?"

Number Two: Representative Pat Kennedy, standing up for the servicemen and their families that get so little attention, with all the Press focused on the Massa situation.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/18551514#video=18562620

A word of caution to Mr. Kennedy, though, if you blame the "Press" alone for these debacles, you are shorting everybody. There is blame to be made all around, but GOD BLESS YOUR TIRADE, I love it!!!!

We are beyond the Two-World-War-2s mark, aiming for a third repitition of the duration of that World War. For what gain? To give it back???

Number Three: And that new Senator Brown from Massachusetts, who as a newly elected Republican, voted on a jobs bill that would help his constituents!!!

And then he was ridiculed for not siding with his party who claimed it was a Democrat Bill, not to be supported!

If you are a Republican, stand up for what you believe.
If you are a Democrat, stand up for what you believe.

STAND UP AMERICA, voice your opinion! These are the Americans I love!

The worst thing you can do is DO NOTHING, SILENTLY!

And God Bless our troops, and their families, for their continued service to all of us.

Bring them home! Eight years is more than enough.

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